A thought about thoughts.

Couldn't sleep, so i got up again... and decided to post about my thought.

about thoughts...

I wonder if thoughts can actually be measured or proven they exist.
I'm talking about brainwave activity. That's what thoughts are supposed to be.
Isn't the brainwave activity only the translation of thoughts into words, images, impressions and feelings?
At times i've been trying to "see" it clearly.
A thought comes up, but then it's just a thought. It has no meaning yet.
Before it can actually be a thought, it has to be translated into something that can be explained.

Well, they are seeing how the brain works when it thinks through MRIs; it's how they found out HSP brains work differently than nonHSP brains. Just one example.

tezorian wrote:Couldn't sleep, so i got up again... and decided to post about my thought.

about thoughts...

I wonder if thoughts can actually be measured or proven they exist.
I'm talking about brainwave activity. That's what thoughts are supposed to be.
Isn't the brainwave activity only the translation of thoughts into words, images, impressions and feelings?
At times i've been trying to "see" it clearly.
A thought comes up, but then it's just a thought. It has no meaning yet.
Before it can actually be a thought, it has to be translated into something that can be explained.

I'd have to go with 'yes ... and ... no' on that.

if thoughts were only brainwaves then when OOB, which means no brain, there would be no thoughts, so logic would conclude. In practice that's most certainly not how it works according to those who actually do OOB's.

I was just reading up on the EEG technology on the market over at mybigtoe.com. Interest over there is in one way or another to at minimum help meditation, for a start. OOB's are the next step, though in interest it seems.

Good point RBM about people being aware while clinically brain dead.

That's what i mean. Thoughts as described by science is actually the translation of it.
The true "thought" is merely the raw data.

I finally found one of the links on how an HSP brain works differently than nonHSP.

MRI scans of HSP and nonHSP brains

tezorian wrote:That's what i mean. Thoughts as described by science is actually the translation of it.
The true "thought" is merely the raw data.

Your observation is one I've used in trying to distinguish a point in the difference between physical and 'non-physical'.

Consider that an EEG or a similar device can determine you have thoughts going through your head by detecting brainwave activity.

However what CAN'T be done is to determine what that thought is about - are you thinking about a person or a rock, for example.

A translation has to occur somewhere in the loop.

It can't be determined YET. Eventually they'll probably still get the idea. However, this will still be only part of the actual thought. Some things can't be translated, because it's beyond this world's comprehension.

Yesterday, during a chat, i suddenly had to think about something that fits with my thoughts. Someone mentioned that in meditation/OOB or whatever it was, he was unable to think. It's not that he's unable to think, but the thoughts he had could no longer be translated into something that we could "understand".

Time will tell if i'm on the right track or just completely sidetracked.

The relationship of thoughts to words -

All thoughts goes through a translation to words - in order to communicate. Another layer deeper consider languages which are words and some languages don't translate (or well in some cases) to another language. Or a language has no word or minimal words to translate something another language has lots of words for - ironically, Love is one such English word and I forget what the other language was that has multitudes of words to translate.

The OOB/meditation/chat underscores that in body we use the physical brain to source thought. When the consciousness disengages from the physical the brain is disconnected and 'something else' does the thinking of thoughts. What that 'something else is depends on your reality worldview. A common designation is 'the higher self'. I subscribe to the designation of 'consciousness'.

Robert Monroe, in his books on his OOB experiences, found himself in a 'translation pickle' often, when he tried to communicate his experiences once back in the physical.

I don't think anything can not be translated, but the process can be cumbersome and awkward.

I don't think anything can not be translated, but the process can be cumbersome and awkward..

Agreed. It often times is at best a kind of summary, vague and incomplete though.

Hmm...still thinking on all this.