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Post by RBM Sat Apr 17, 2010 10:33 am

Since this BB seems to be attracting new readership continuously, I thought this post would make a good springboard for readers who are new to such information.
I have referenced this author in other threads on this BB, but have not posted this event. Since it was the authors first experience associated with remote viewing (RV) it would also provide a good springboard for readers who are new.

Ingo Swann's website is biomindsuperpowers.com.

Here the link to the original Chapter 37. It is from his autobiography of Remote Viewing—The Real Story

This is an event recollected by Ingo and so the issue is addressed in this excerpt:

But I'll first explain that my memory is quite good in this case -- because I got rather angry in that Puthoff DID NOT alert me to the fact that this would be a different kind of experiment.
I was being asked to try to influence yet another magnetometer. And all such pieces of equipment were of a size that could sit on a table. So I naturally thought that was what the experiment would consist of. Anger has a way of deeply etching memory traces.

Note this is dated information, so the authors understanding of RV reflects that.

THE VARIAN HALL OF PHYSICS, STANFORD UNIVERSITY

6 JUNE 1972

In a book I later published in 1975, entitled To Kiss Earth Goodbye, I gave a version of what happened during the evening of 6 June 1972. That book was not really under my editorial control, however, and much was chopped out of it.
In any event, it is now twenty-five years after the fact, and I've found that those involved don't remember the same things.
So, the best I can do herein is present what I remember.

But I'll first explain that my memory is quite good in this case -- because I got rather angry in that Puthoff DID NOT alert me to the fact that this would be a different kind of experiment.
I was being asked to try to influence yet another magnetometer. And all such pieces of equipment were of a size that could sit on a table. So I naturally thought that was what the experiment would consist of. Anger has a way of deeply etching memory traces.

The Stanford University campus was about a fifteen minute drive from Stanford Research Institute.
The sun was nearing the western horizon when Puthoff and I finally arrived at the Varian Hall of Physics. The early evening was already bathed in a delicious pink atmosphere and the darkening palm trees of the campus looked like something Hollywood could design for a movie.
I am very partial to great sunsets. But I was somewhat worried -- because I didn't think the magnetometer experiments earlier in the day had succeeded very well. I felt like I was about to step into another failure, this time under the watchful eyes of Puthoff and the physicist in the Varian Hall.

As we made our way into the building, Puthoff explained that the equipment was in the basement. So we descended to that level and found our way first along some gray corridors, then into a big room.
The most notable image of this big room was that it contained a number of huge, round structural supports for the floors above built to withstand earthquakes. The pilasters were all painted a bright ORANGE. There was also a confusion of all kinds of pipes everywhere.

We proceeded to a slightly better lit area where I was introduced to Dr. Arthur Hebbard. A Dr. Marshal Lee was also present. Puthoff managed to whisper to me that Lee was a noted and extremely important physicist from China. Also present were six doctoral candidates, students of Hebbard.
I didn't think that witnesses were appropriate, but there was nothing I could do about it. So I shook hands all round, but noticed everyone was a little uptight, including little me.

There was a somewhat elaborate chart recorder in operation, and its pen was slowly, very slowly tracing out a wavy line, up and down in graceful curves. This, I was told, was monitoring the magnetic stability of the magnetometer and had been doing so for some weeks without any change in the rhythmic fluctuations.

However, the magnetometer itself was nowhere to be seen. And so I asked where it was.
Puthoff replied: "You're standing on top of it."

Now was explained to me the nature of the "magnetometer."
As of 1972, the existence of a strange cosmic sub-particle was suspected. It was small and fast enough to go right through the planet as if the planet was composed of empty space. The suspected particle had been dubbed a "quark."

A slight explanation is needed here. Back in 1972, physicists had theorized that the proton is composed of three sub-particles called quarks. The actual existence of these were not identified until some years later.

Thus, the "magnetometer" at Stanford was actually a quark detector, the first of its kind, still unique in 1972, and had been constructed at very great expense and with copious work in an effort to capture the passage through it of one of those sub-particles.
The whole of this contraption was encased in an aluminum container and insulating copper canister. As well, it was in a supercooled, hence superconducting shield.
The centerpiece inside the detector was a Josephson junction and which would "detect" any variation magnetic flux in the supercooled equipment.

The whole of this was buried in solid concrete some five feet down in the floor beneath our feet.

The horrible implications of all this dawned on me without much difficulty. I was being asked to "poke around" with a "target" I could not see, or even know exactly where it was in the ground beneath.
In retrospect, I don't know why I got angry. But my eyes narrowed upon Puthoff -- because he and I had already discussed the desirability of a subject being completely informed regarding the experiment he or she was to undertake.

We had also discussed the matter of observers and witnesses. In order to give the subject the best chance possible, why should the experimental task be made more difficult by the presence of unneeded witnesses who would make the subject nervous. Subjects could easily be affected in many ways by the presence of other people.
An experiment, after all, was not a stage performance for the enjoyment of others.

In this case, there were no less than nine people in the area -- and some of whom were smirking with certainty that nothing would come of this.
But I lost sight of all of them except Puthoff. Even my humble self ceased to be a body, becoming a yellow haze with eyes in it.
Those eyes focused on Puthoff, whom I asked: "How the fuck am I supposed to influence something I can't see???"

But Puthoff was ready for me. "Now, Ingo," he began, "you wanted an experiment that has no loopholes in it. Well, here it is." And he then went on to explain.

*

And I now explain here. First of all, since the equipment was buried in concrete, no one could say that anyone could have an opportunity to fool around with it.

The quark detector, the magnetometer inside it, had been subjected to tests with large electromagnets, and no signals had been induced in the shielded portion.
Prior to our arrival, a decaying magnetic field had been set up inside the shielded chamber. Its steady, slow decay with time provided a background calibration signal that registered as a sine wave output on an x-y recorder, the frequency of the sine wave corresponding to the decay rate of the calibration field.

Further, this system had been running for something on the order of an hour before our arrival with no "noise" showing up in the sine wave. The quark-detecting function of this instrument was not in operation, and so the experiment would pertain only to the operating magnetometer housed deep within the various shieldings.

Puthoff explained that if I were to affect the magnetic field in the magnetometer, evidence of the effect would show up as a change in the output sine wave recording. This would be seen as some kind of variation in the sine wave -- which was slowly moving up and down in a wavy line with an obvious equal rhythm.

I was angry -- but not stupid. If I walked out on this one there would be no less than eight witnesses.
And this was not parapsychology where experiments and results are messed about all the time.

THIS was SCIENCE, and THIS had witnesses, and THIS was the first time, in my case at least, there had ever been any witnesses except those necessary for an experiment.

I had always been willing to try parapsychology experiments. I had never said I COULD DO anything except to try.
In such experiments, one has a fifty-fifty chance of some kind of success -- and so there was no real reason not to try. You see, even if one failed, one could always try again.

In the case of THIS magnetometer, though, failure was THE END -- most certainly because SCIENCE didn't want parapsychology or Psi stuff in the first place.
I could walk out -- and never know if I would fail or succeed.

I suppose I should say, in retrospect, that this was a challenge. And it certainly was -- an awful one. One of those "damned if you do and fail," and "damned if you don't try."

Far worse (and very much more dramatic) "challenges" were to come in the years ahead. And in retrospect, I'm glad I decided more or less to look death in the face, for the experience at the Varian Hall gave me some familiarity along those lines.

Puthoff is not an unkind man. But he had put me between a rock and a hard place -- deliberately so, because he too needed to find out things.
So I asked Dr. Hebbard: "Do you know exactly where the magnetometer is?" The answer was no. It was down there, but exactly where no one knew.

So, as in Cleve Backster's lab, I started "probing" -- whatever that means.
Shortly, I felt I could sense some metallic differences, and I tried to affect them, explaining what I was doing as I went along.
All eyes were glued not on me, though, but upon the sine wave.

I tried "affecting" the equipment several times.
NOTHING! Zap, Zero.
Except for Puthoff and little me, everyone breathed a sigh of relief. Two of the doctoral candidates even smiled a little.

"Well," I said, "I can sure as shit see something down there. Let me try to sketch it out, and that might help me focus a little better."
But there was no paper anywhere. So Puthoff suggested I draw directly onto the chart paper.

So I sketched a this, and then a that: "Is this the Josephson junction?" I asked. "If so, I think I can see it quite well."

With that comment, the inked pen which was slowly tracing out the mathematically perfect wavy line gave the smallest jerk.
Then it STOPPED for a brief second.
And then it began LIFTING up above its previous pattern. And somewhat above this it wobbled along for no less than about TEN SECONDS -- long enough for two wavy line intervals to have occurred.

As we watched, I heard someone mumble "Jesus Christ."
"Is that an effect?" I asked.

No one answered. Puthoff and Dr. Lee were whispering. I think Dr. Hebbard was somewhat pale.
Puthoff asked: "Can you do that again."
"Give me a moment or so, and I'll try -- if that's what you want.

Now, let me explain. When the distortion in the sine wave line took place I was NOT trying to effect the equipment. I was simply trying to sketch what I could "see."
In other words, I didn't DO anything except just sketch. But maybe drawing it set up some kind of connection.

"Is that an effect?" I asked again.
Puthoff looked at Dr. Hebbard for the answer -- and he and Puthoff began muttering in inaudible tones.

Now, I noticed that the doctoral candidates were unobtrusively evacuating the room. The last two turned and virtually ran, one of them crashing directly into one of the big, and totally visible, orange structural supports.
"Gosh," I said. "I hope he didn't hurt himself."
"Who?" Puthoff asked.
"The guy that collided with that pillar," I replied.

The SECOND perturbation was not quite as dramatic as the first one, and didn't last as long.
But from the looks on the three remaining faces, I knew I had done something. I then said I was tired, and which I was.

Puthoff now asked Drs. Lee and Hebbard if they would sign their names as witnesses directly on the chart paper. Both agreed, and did so.

The next thing I remember about all this was Puthoff and I getting into his car in front of the Varian Hall of Physics. It was dark, and I could see stars. They were very beautiful. And I, well I think its fair for the purposes of this archive to say that my head was in the process of swelling up with smugness.
Puthoff said something like "Jesus, Swann . . . you want to have dinner or something?"
We might have had dinner, but the next thing I remember was that we went to Puthoff's favorite ice cream place. He and his soon-to-be wife, Adrienne, were ice-cream freaks.
I don't eat much of it. But in this instance I had, first, a chocolate milk shake, the a strawberry one, and then a Sunday (minus banana) with five types of ice cream.

Puthoff and I talked, of course. He was in Seventh Heaven. But all I could think of was that I had DONE IT. I could now go back to New York -- and totally forget about all this parapsychology Mierda del Toro.
Puthoff was waxing very enthusiastically. But I said that Science would have to debunk this. There was no way Science would let it stand as a true PK effect. They will HAVE to say there is "some other RATIONAL explanation."

I could not have known it then, but the sine wave page became one of the most frequently xeroxed pages in the history of the phenomena. The quark detector set-up was left running for hours afterward -- with no additional perturbations showing up.

n preparation for this chapter, by telephone I reviewed the entire episode with Puthoff. Through the years, he had presented the magnetometer data at many scientific conferences. He said that there had of course been occasional flack, but that positive interest and curiosity had been the main thing.
Puthoff mentioned that Dr., Hebbard had had many official and unofficial opportunities to explain the effects as something else, but that to his knowledge Hebbard had never done so.
...

The original continues with the author discussing whether this was PK or not.
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Post by melodiccolor Sat Apr 17, 2010 5:07 pm

OK, that is fascinating. Gives me some ideas.....
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Post by RBM Sat Apr 17, 2010 5:30 pm

Hehe. I like it when you get 'some ideas'.
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Post by petersi Sun Apr 18, 2010 9:40 am

Yes very interesting. Could he have somehow affect the chart reader rather than the quark detector? They should rule that out in another experiment.
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Post by RBM Sun Apr 18, 2010 11:44 am

petersi wrote:Yes very interesting. Could he have somehow affect the chart reader rather than the quark detector? They should rule that out in another experiment.

Carry that thought to it's logical conclusion - the explanation would have to include the fact that he wasn't in physical contact with the recorder.

"Should rule that out" - in this environment at the time ('72) the results were not expected and thus well formed contingency hypothesis did not exist. That has occurred since that time in other studies of emerging scientific disciplines. There is much resistance. If you appreciate well researched work Ingo's site is worth checking out.

At the moment I'm trying to relocate a film source of Hal Puthoff discussing this event in the context of his career some 20 + years later (?) to add to this thread.
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Post by Bluedream Sun Apr 18, 2010 12:47 pm

Being largely a 'visual person' firstly, that experiment makes total sense to me...making it even easier to understand why the remote viewing 'symbol tests' [stars...circles squares...etc..] tend to work so well; simplicity...black on white perhaps...less 'thinking' involved. Free's the mind up...[?]
There seems to be a definate connection there when 'visualizing' the subject matter and drawing. I would tend to think that less mind involvement and more 'meditative states' work better also. At least, that's how it feels to me.
Nice post.
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Post by RBM Sun Apr 18, 2010 4:30 pm

bluedream wrote:Being largely a 'visual person' firstly,

Ingo's decision to draw at the magnetometer was based on lesson's from earlier in his career.

From Chapter 47, WHAT DOES ONE USE FOR EYES IF ONE IS OUT OF BODY?:

One day after a particularly good result had been achieved, and before the ASPR feathers hit the fan, Dr. Osis had grown silent and pensive. He sat down and wound his legs together like two snakes, put his chin on his hand and looked at me with piercing eyes.
"I vonder, Eengo," he began, "vat ju use for eyes [pronounced `ice'] ven ju are OOB."
"Jes," I responded. "Zat's a very good question, eesn't it?"]

I am unable at the moment to find a particular link, that is an essential link in the chain of learning experimental protocols in parapsychology, so I will paraphrase.

At one point Ingo was sitting in a chair with a platform suspended over him when he was having difficulty identifying targets, and requested to draw what he saw. Protocols up to this case were to have the 'psychic' verbally describe verbally or in written form what he saw. With the protocol change the advantages were immediate and unarguable.

@petersi

If you have experience in experimental protocols the link above should interest you.
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Post by petersi Wed Apr 21, 2010 7:44 am

Experiments are my weak points, I enjoy imagining the concept more. I find that I am abit impatient for protocols during my science courses but thank you anyway for your link. It was really interesting. Please keep us posted on your latest discovery.
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